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G706
G706
21 days ago

I really enjoy these posts about the stage roads. Thanks

John A. Fleming
John A. Fleming
21 days ago

There is a good book about the pioneer days in Arizona, “Vanished Arizona”, by Martha Summerhayes, who traveled with her Army Officer husband all through Arizona, in the 1870’s just after Crook had pacified the Apache. Highly recommended.

She described a trip they took, starting from Fort Apache, north across the Mogollon Rim to Holbrook, and then west and south to Fort Verde and Fort Whipple. The road passed by Stoneman Lake before the harrowing descent down off the Mogollon Rim into the Verde Valley. She was in an Army “ambulance”, some sort of covered wagon with her small child, an infant really.

The old road from Stoneman Lake down into the Verde Valley is paralleled for a little while by I-17 going north from Phoenix to Flagstaff. I-17 crosses the wagon road at some point.

Several years ago I spent quite a few evenings poring over Google Maps and satellite view trying to map out the old wagon road to and from Stoneman Lake. I believe there are still traces of it that can be seen when the juniper forest thins out. It’s all ranchland and National Forest around there. Stoneman Lake has vacation cabins surrounding it, and is more dry than a lake now. It’s probably possible to find and walk much of the wagon road down off the Rim.

The Verde Valley is all developed and inhabited now, and the road is gone past Beaver Springs.

Civilization comes, development and habitations, and the evidence that the pioneers were ever here disappears. So goes the old saying, you can’t go home again.

Casey
Casey
20 days ago

Wifey & I made the commitment to binge 1883 for the second time (while waiting for the next episodes of 1923 to drop). It’s not the stagecoach but it is the Wild West. It made us reflect on the hardships that our grandparents (mine) and in her case, her great grandparents, went through to transit West. Hers came by wagon; first halfway and then later generations came all the way West.

1883 shows the epic hardships of that transit.

My grandparents on my father’s side came by boat. First from Germany to Ellis Island, then by boat to the West Coast. Then. By. Boat. To. The. West. Coast. means they came around the dangerous passage below South America (Cape Horn), and then they transited the Graveyard of Ships which is the Olympic Coast of Washington State. That’d be the coast littered with ships to include those wimpy little surf coastguard boats they call indestructible. Turns out they’re not, given the tragic loss of some on our coast. It’s dangerous, let’s leave it at that.

Given the epic nature of getting here, I’ll be damned if the Washington legislature drives my family out. Although with the draconian laws they’re passing here, you’d think they well hellset on getting us out. My hope right now is that the state of the nation, under Trump, will put so much pressure on Soviet Washington State, that the idiotic laws will crumble.