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jean
jean
6 hours ago

You know I’m not much of a prayer person but I will make an exception for you.

Bilderback
Bilderback
5 hours ago

You neglected to mention the fall of Vicksburg, July 4, 1863. Vicksburg did not celebrate July 4th till 1945.

DT
DT
3 hours ago
Reply to  Bilderback

But … but … but … it’s only July 3rd

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
5 hours ago

“…One does not simply open the nozzle and let the water fly….”

In our neck of the woods desert, new build homes require fire sprinklers. I’m looking at 2 sprinkler heads in the room as I write. The system is something that simultaneously comforts and terrifies me. Should we ever have a house fire, it should start tamping down the fire well before the Fire Department can show up. But the other way to see it is that just above our heads is a pressurized water line with a couple’o dozen trip valves just waiting to drench the entire house and contents. Should one of those valves sense a fire in error, we’re going to be left with a huge mess.

Last edited 5 hours ago by azlibertarian
DT
DT
3 hours ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

My goal is to keep a wildland fire away from the house. Sprinklers may help once a fire gets going in the house … but the water damage could be worse than the fire damage.

jean
jean
4 hours ago

I forgot to ask…how close is the fire to you?

DT
DT
3 hours ago
Reply to  jean

Not even in sight as I write this. Think of this system as a large outdoor fire extinguisher. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

jean
jean
1 hour ago
Reply to  DT

That’s good news. I was doing my thing…worrying.

ghostsniper
ghostsniper
4 hours ago

In 2002 we built our brand new crib in a rural, flat area in NW Cape Coral, FL where the closest neighbor was more than a mile away. The area was littered with Melaleuca trees, also known as paper trees and they will turn into big torches under the slightest of provocation especially in the dry season. I cut down most that were within a few hundred feet of our house, but when the wind comes off the Gulf during a fire it can do more than you need.

I designed and built a system to my specifications.

Just behind the main peak of the roof, and not visible from the front street, I installed two high pressure (1000 gpm each) “pop up style” fire sprinkler heads about 30 feet apart. The heads were connected to 2″ schedule 80 PVC pipes in the attic to a 5th inlet on our 28,000 gal pool through the 3 hp pump. The electricity to the house was underground so I was not worried a fire would cut it, but I also had an 8,000kw Troy-Bilt generator always on standby.

When the house was completed I did a test run on this fire suppression system and it performed as expected.

I turned off the timer on the pump-filter, manually turned the pump-filter on, twisted off all the pool inlets then turned on the inlet for the sprinklers. There was a loud thud thud as the 2 sprinklers popped up and commenced to drenching the entire house and yard out to about a 100′ radius or more. I let it run for a minute then turned it off. I saw no noticeable drop in the pool water. I got up in the attic and looked for leaks and found none. I also went up on the roof and inspected the sprinklers, no problems. I did this test 2 more times over the next couple of hours and no problems.

It gave us a huge sense of security knowing that it was very unlikely that any kind of exterior fire would damage our house as long as we were there to activate the system. It was easy enough my wife was capable of doing it. Throw a switch, twist 4 valves off, twist 1 valve on, throw a switch – and stand under the overhang. lol

Cost?
I think the sprinkler heads cost less than $30 each at that time. Another $30 for PVC pipe and glue, and maybe $10 for another inlet valve. I did all the work myself so as to keep the “authorities” out of it. Oh yeah, 2 lead boots for the roof penetrations. So total cost was around $100 or so and the labor was mine.

With a little more effort this could probably be done to an existing house.

Maybe the next time I will tell you my ideas on the best way to address the realities of the 2 most common ways fires start inside houses.

(hint: air conditioning condensers and kitchen ranges)

6.11-AM
DT
DT
3 hours ago
Reply to  ghostsniper

“1000 gpm each” … that’s a lot of water. sure it’s not 1000 gal/hr? 2000 gpm would leave a noticeable drop in your pool level pretty quickly.

There’s a material similar to that in baby diapers that expands when wet, is sticky, and makes a good fire retardant. Kind of a foam. Good for coating walls in the event of a fire. Can’t for the life of me remember what it’s called.

I don’t have good water pressure here or a pool. On top of hill with gravity feed system. 25psi is good; often a little less. Also we run out of water well before those below us on the system. Needed a tank and good pump. May get another tank …

In our area, chimney fires and dryer vents. Most kitchen fires here are restaurants.