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Anne Nelson
Anne Nelson
6 days ago

I have always wondered why Ghostsniper didn’t settle in Idaho. It would be a good choice for him.

Anne Nelson
Anne Nelson
6 days ago

HELP Please! I am once again getting a long list of scrambled letters and signs when I try to log into Maggie’s Farm. When that happened the last time, someone here told me which buttons to push on my computer to be abel to log in again! I am once again asking for that same advice! Thank you,

SwittersB
SwittersB
6 days ago
Reply to  Anne Nelson

I read they are creating a new site…not sure how we will know when that is completed….

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
6 days ago

Caveats up front….

  • I am not a lawyer, either here on the internet or anywhere else,
  • I am breaking the rules by commenting while inside the 72-Hour Rule, and…
  • My 60% Rule applies as always.

I’ve seen several versions of this story where it is said that the citizen in this story shot to distract the shooter, or as it is put here, “…[helped to] drive the suspect away from the scene, preventing further casualties.”

I think that this is a dangerous argument on which to base your legal defense. The off-duty law enforcement officer may (or may not) have some Qualified Immunity for his actions, but no such But-I’m-the-Good-Guy-Here immunity should be expected or assumed by the civilian.

My view as a complete amateur on this topic is that pulling your weapon or Heaven forbid, putting some rounds down range, in an engagement in which you are a third-party, places you right up to the edge of legal jeopardy. All it would take would be some Soros- or Moms Demand Action-funded District Attorney, and you’ll be facing charges.

When I carry my sidearm, it exists to protect me and mine. If I am near you and you happen to be in danger, then don’t expect me to come to your rescue. You have the same right to a self-defense as I do. If you choose to go about unarmed, that’s your choice and not mine.

JMO and as always, YMMV, but I think that the wiser course would have been to find the nearest exit.

ghostsniper
ghostsniper
5 days ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

You’ll get no argument from me.

BTW, even if it’s completely legal, who walks around with a (concealed) firearm that has a suppressor on it?

Snakepit Kansas
Snakepit Kansas
5 days ago
Reply to  ghostsniper

Kind of weird, but sure makes a good picture.

If you are sure of your target, then shoot to kill.

I commonly carry in public, but in CA most of the month. Most of what I own is illegal here.

ghostsniper
ghostsniper
5 days ago

They have to get a lot less expensive, and smaller, before I get one. And a way to get around the threaded barrel necessity.

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
4 days ago
Reply to  ghostsniper

I just saw this on Facebook. While the NFA still is technically alive, it looks to be in hospice.

There’ll come a day when you can buy a suppressor over the counter at your local Tractor Supply.

ghostsniper
ghostsniper
3 days ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

I want to build one. Rumor has it, and you didn’t hear it from me, that a local dood made one and when connected to a .22 rifle it was almost silent from 5 feet away. He supposedly got free plans online and used easily acquired hardware materials and basic home workshop tools. Got a welder? (amazon has em for a couple hundred bux)

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
3 days ago
Reply to  ghostsniper

On this subject, I understand that all the cool kids are in to 3D printing.

Myself, I am not a cool kid. Dunno the first (second or third) thing about 3D printing. But I do know people who do.

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
5 days ago

I’ve got some further thoughts. This guy is beyond “kind of weird”.

  • He carries at all. Granted: Among this crowd, and around some of your other internet haunts, carrying a gun for your protection might not be considered to be that unusual. This will certainly vary from one state and city to another, but I contend that no more than 5% of a population actually carries. This means that 95% do not. Carrying a gun is an unusual thing to do.
  • He carries in a shoulder holster. No one has carried their CCW weapon in a shoulder holster since Don Johnson starred in Miami Vice. Weird#1.
  • He carries a gun in an unusual caliber… 5.7x28mm. Here, I’ve got to dive into some gun physics (which most of us learned in our Jr. High School science class). What you’re really concerned about in a caliber and gun choice is the Muzzle Energy. I’ll look at 2 choices here…5.7 vs 9mm…and they do show some differences. The 5.7 can have a ME of 268 ft-pounds whereas a more common 9mm choice has a ME of 364 ft-pounds. What is Muzzle Energy? Muzzle Energy is basically what we learned in our science class as Kinetic Energy. What’s that? K.E.=1/2 MV², where M=the mass of the moving object and V=the velocity. With these 2 examples, the mass of each bullet is very different. Mass of the 5.7 is 40 grains. Mass of the 9mm is just over 3 times that at 124 grains. A more important difference is the difference in velocity (more important because the differential must be squared). The 5.7 advertises a velocity of 1738 ft per second, whereas the 9mm velocity is 1150 fps. The 9mm has a bullet of a greater weight and delivers more Muzzle Energy than the 5.7 choice. Why would someone choose a 5.7 over a 9mm? Easy. The reason you’d choose a caliber with the extra velocity of the 5.7 is that your intent is to defeat body armor. That extra velocity gives the bullet of a smaller mass enough “punch” to get through body armor and then have enough energy remaining to reach the squishy bits inside.So if 5% of the population carries a weapon at all, how many people do you imagine are wearing body armor? This guy prepared himself for the rarest of opponents: A shooter wearing body armor. Weird #2.
  • The Suppressor. I’m not going to fault the guy for owning a suppressor and for keeping it installed on his pistol. Full attribution: I own a suppressor, although mine is for rifles and not pistols. There is a body of thought that says that if you’re going to keep a pistol (and especially a rifle or rifle-caliber pistol) as a home-defense weapon, that having that gun suppressed will keep you from seriously damaging your hearing when you fire that gun indoors. However, putting a suppressor on a CCW weapon complicates carrying and concealing that whole thing. Weird #3.
  • Action Hero. I found this on Facebook. This week we’ve seen the stills and video shown on the left side of him in the drive-thru (?) of that In-and-Out. I have no comment on that. But look at the two videos on the right. In the upper right video, what in the H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks is he carrying for a rifle? It looks like some silly bullpup on which he’s thrown every accessory known to Tactical Man. Where’s the bayonet? Did he forget it at home? And he demonstrates his quickness in getting that (suppressed) pistol out of his Miami Vice shoulder holster. Yes, he has impressive speed. But he flags his own weak-side arm every time he draws that weapon. It is an unsafe method of carry and that is the main reason that nobody uses a shoulder holster anymore. And then there is the short video in the bottom right. He gives us a flashlight-illuminated mag-dump while behind his truck….a truck complete with not one, but two American flags. If a guy feels the need to document his [scare quotes] “training” [/scare quotes], then fine, take your movies. But why would you post these videos to Facebook? Do you not consider that should you ever find yourself in a shooting that these videos are going to be of potential use to a prosecutor or an attorney representing the person you shot? This guy has a movie playing out in his head, and he watches that movie over and over again. He is the Action Hero of his own movie. Very, very weird #4 and Unsafe #1.

This guy is a weirdo and he does the Gun Community no favors.

Joe
Joe
5 days ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

Very well articulated. I Agree.

azlibertarian
azlibertarian
5 days ago
Reply to  DT

“…Please be aware that trained staff members at Garden Valley schools are legally armed….”

I am on long record…at least as far back as Columbine (1999)….that teachers and staff should be able to be armed. After the program was developed to arm airline pilots, I thought that that would be a good model upon which to arm teachers.

Some features of the program that I think would be reasonable…..

  • Volunteers only. No extra pay or time off for any required training. If a teacher believes that arms in a school are important to the school’s safety, this wouldn’t be a problem.
  • No maximum or minimum numbers of armed staff nor distribution across a school’s grades. No administrator can expand or place limits on the program. If one teacher volunteers at a school, that’s what they get. If 10 volunteer, then they get 10. Once in the program, teachers and staff would be expected to regularly carry.
  • Concealed on-body carry only in a retention holster. Which teachers are armed and which are not would become quickly known to anyone paying attention, but three heartbeats after that conversation died off, no one would think about it again.
  • There must be inital and recurring training on not just how to accurately employ and shoot your gun, but also with the (considerable) tactical problem of an active shooter in a school. Teachers, local police and SWAT teams should understand that a school shooting sets up a Blue-on-Blue problem. The armed teacher must be trained and be physically prepared to fight off an attempt to grab his/her gun. This will require training of wrestling moves in a mat room. This training would be expensive for the school district and not easy for the teachers to go through. The goal with the training would be to produce a teacher trained well enough that both the school district and the armed teacher would be protected by Qualified Immunity.
  • I am open to allowing the use of personally-owned weapons as long as they meet minimum standards. A compact version of any full-sized gun that a police department would authorize would be the start of a good list. The other side of that coin is that to standardize training, a school district might believe that a single gun choice may be best. This would require that the school district fund and issue guns to trained staff.
GrayDog
GrayDog
5 days ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

Well AZ, I could take issue with a number of your thoughts (I also agree with a number of them, for whatever that might be worth). But I would like to confine my friendly criticism to your comments about shoulder holsters. First, my bona fides on this subject: I am a former reasonably successful competitor in both IPSC and IHMSA. I have carried in public almost every day for most of my adult life. Depending on my situation, I have carried everything from a 44 AutoMag to a 22 magnum derringer. I have carried in most manners imaginable except appendix (for reasons that are clear enough to me). 

There is nothing at all wrong or unusual about shoulder holster carry. It does not have to involve a Don Johnson or Dirty Harry fantasy. In fact if you sit a lot, carrying in a shoulder holster is probably the most comfortable and it may be the safest way to do it. Speaking of safety, It is not at all difficult to draw a handgun from a shoulder holster without endangering your arm or somebody behind you or next to you. I do note for the record though, that shoulder holster carry was not allowed in IPSC and, of course, unnecessary in IHMSA. Like most things worth doing, It just takes a little practice to do it proficiently. In my older age now, my favorite form of carry is a Walter PP in .380 in a shoulder holster. And I don’t have any James Bond fantasies either.

Last edited 5 days ago by GrayDog
ghostsniper
ghostsniper
5 days ago
Reply to  GrayDog

With supressor, he was carrying a 12 inch long pistol in that shoulder rig. No way he pulled that thing without some effort and sweeping was impossible to avoid. I have a shoulder rig for my Beretta 92FS and have never carried it that way in public but I agree it is very comfortable under a vest.

GrayDog
GrayDog
5 days ago
Reply to  ghostsniper

With proper technique sweeping is very possible to avoid. I carried my AutoMag in a SafariLand shoulder rig set low on my side and practiced drawing it in such a way so as not to endanger myself and those around me. An AutoMag is not a small handgun. The statement that sweeping is impossible to avoid is simply not true.

ghostsniper
ghostsniper
5 days ago
Reply to  azlibertarian

So, he was a wind-up toy?

jean
jean
6 days ago

Hope this was far away from you and Mrs.

jean
jean
5 days ago
Reply to  DT

ok. Be safe.